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schwarzer peter
view post Posted on 9/8/2005, 19:43




Nel blog ho messo la prima news su Sin city 2 http://elite.blog.tiscali.it/tm2134670/
 
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MaTTaTiNo
view post Posted on 10/8/2005, 10:10




propongo di stickyzzare questo topic come fu fatto per il precedente!
amen!
 
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preacher
view post Posted on 10/8/2005, 10:17




CITAZIONE (MaTTaTiNo @ 10/8/2005, 11:10)
propongo di stickyzzare questo topic come fu fatto per il precedente!
amen!

yeah!
 
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MaTTaTiNo
view post Posted on 10/8/2005, 10:49




ok adesso postate qualcosa di interessante tipo le foto di quella figa con le labbrone da pomp..... lol!
 
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Albyrinth
view post Posted on 21/9/2005, 17:54




Il signor Tarantino ha fatto che, anche se non ci sara' posto per lui, pretendera' da Rodriguez di poter girare almeno una scena di Sin city 2 come gia' fece per il primo...smile.gif
 
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Albyrinth
view post Posted on 30/11/2005, 22:25




Intanto uscira' a giorni negli States la versione deluxe del dvd...a QUESTO LINK tre clip degli extra di questa nuova edizione...
 
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Albyrinth
view post Posted on 1/12/2005, 10:20




I dettagli del dvd sul blog: smile.gif
http://elite.blog.tiscali.it/ay2311533/
 
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Albyrinth
view post Posted on 15/12/2005, 09:49




Dichiarazioncine di Rodriguez e Miller sul sequel di Sin city...

"One of the ideas we had was to do A Dame to Kill for Next." Rodridguez said. "We also didn't want people to read the book and know what was going to happen. So Frank is coming up with some new stuff, that will be intertwined in that and some other storylines that he has always wanted to do. So I was like, 'Lets do it as part of 'A Dame to Kill For,' then if you want to make it a separate book you can always do that.' That's what's been really exciting ... he's only been teasing me about what that is so I don't even know. But the new things he's told me are really exciting. As soon as we have it, we can start shooting because it's on greenscreen. He would have drawings with it and we could start shooting pretty much a few weeks later. As soon as Frank's done and we're done with Grindhouse [a joint film project with Tarantino] we could go right into it."

"Three weeks from now I'll change my mind and I'll feel like a complete idiot." Miller said.
 
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Albyrinth
view post Posted on 24/12/2005, 10:39




Parla il signor Frank Miller...un po' megalomane il buon Frank?tongue.gif
(5 film???? blink.gif )
I'm finishing the script right now for Sin City 2," Miller said. "I can't wait to get back behind the camera. If I have my way, there's going to be five [films]. But that's if I have my way! Five would take care of all the graphic novels. But there's new material that I'm writing for the second one. There'll probably also be a separate graphic novel that I'll do. It's a Nancy Callahan story that I've been wanting to do."
 
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Albyrinth
view post Posted on 30/12/2005, 10:17




La recensione del dvd del primo film in versione estesa e superlussuosa!smile.gif

Da C.H.U.D.:
DVD REVIEW: SIN CITY (RECUT, EXTENDED, UNRATED)
12.30.05
By Ian Arbuckle

BUY IT AT AMAZON: CLICK HERE!
STUDIO: Dimension
MSRP: $39.99
RATED: Theatrical Cut: R; Everything Else: Unrated
RUNNING TIME: Theatrical Cut: 124 Minutes; Extended Cuts: 147 Minutes Total
SPECIAL FEATURES:
• Commentaries by Robert Rodriguez, Frank Miller, Quentin Tarantino
• Audio track of Austin premier audience
• "15 Minute Flic School"
• "10 Minute Cooking School"
• "The Long Take" of Tarantino's guest segment
• Cast and crew party
• Cars of Sin City featurette
• Costuming featurette
• Special-effects makeup featurette
• Props featurette
• "How It Went Down: Convincing Frank Miller to Make Sin City"
• Casting featurette
• Profile of Quentin Tarantino's guest-direction
• "Sin-Chroni-City" interactive game
• Full "The Hard Goodbye" graphic novel
• Bloopers
• Trailers

One of the things that draws an audience to fiction is the exaggeration. Even in stories that pride themselves on their realism, there is an exaggeration of personality, built around the goals of the characters. Subtle characters still possess a focus that real humans, with our decompressed stories, tend to lack.

Sin City is a film about a graphic novel about exaggeration, which only brushes up against reality to steal its wallet. Frank Miller's original graphic novels are full of characters broad enough to occupy an entire page, and action so stylized as to reach that pinnacle of cool violence. We got one bare bones DVD release of Robert Rodriguez' and Miller's project earlier this year, but alongside the new footage, this set also includes the original theatrical cut, rendering that first release utterly moot. The question for buyers to ask, then, is whether or not the extended footage and bonuses are worth the studio's double dip.

The Flick

Sin City is four short stories (well, three and one piece of flash fiction) that initially appeared as separately-published comics. Frank Miller's comics are drawn in heavy ink and bold negative space, all blacks and whites, with the occasional dab of garish color, and not a shade of gray in sight. Rodriguez goal of translating the comic panels directly to film was a bold decision, an approach almost archaic in the way it mirrored the first film adaptations of stage plays. Not much in the way of additions or alterations were made to the comics; instead, they were used as story-boards, and together Rodriguez and Miller were able to paint their cinema frames with many of the same contrasts as were inked on the page.

Each of the four tales takes a different angle on the subject of vengeance. The lead story, "The Hard Goodbye," was Miller's first Sin City story, and serves as a smooth introduction to the world. In the first few minutes, the audience is exposed to over-the-top violence and unrealistic physics, and, once the disbelief is suspended, and the physical exaggerations are accepted, the story just barrels on from there. Mickey Rourke, under a brilliant set of prosthetics, plays Marv, a ugly son-of-a-bitch who spends one night with an angelic hooker only to wake up and find her dead. He dedicates the rest of his worthless life to tracking down and punishing whoever killed her. Marv's vengeance is hot, confused, and instinctive.

"The Big Fat Kill" is Dwight's story, played by Clive Owen, who finds himself caught up in helping a few ladies of negotiable affection protect themselves against the businesslike vengeance of the local cops. Because there has never been a touch of altruism in Basin City, the protection turns into a vendetta of its own, and Dwight's satisfaction comes not from a job well-done, but from dirtbags well-executed.

The third main story features Bruce Willis as Detective Hartigan in "The Yellow Bastard." Hartigan is one of the few cops not bent double-crooked in the city, and his story is about the lengths he goes to in order to protect Nancy (Jessica Alba), the one person in the world he considers innocent, from the creepy titular pedophile/maniac, played by Nick Stahl. This is the most emotionally resonant of the three stories, and is significantly quieter and more focused on character. Where the other two sections are about loud, thunderstorm violence, "The Yellow Bastard" is more of a quiet kill, like a heavy snowfall that ices up the roads.

For a piece that is so concerned with cinematic exaggeration, Sin City can be considered remarkably mature for what it doesn't include. The four considerations of vengeance (including the bookend story, "The Customer Is Always Right," and its melancholy hitman) are full of heavy dialogue but entirely free of moral direction, and I'm considering that a good quality. There's no hand holding in Sin City, the place or the film. The four stories complement each other neatly, both by context and by the occasional direct reference.

Populating the moral-free zone is a veritable pantheon of minor gods. In addition to those already named, the film also features Elijah Wood, Benicio del Toro, Michael Madsen, Alexis Bledel, Michael Clarke Duncan, Josh Hartnett, Rutger Hauer, Rosario Dawson, Brittany Murphy, Carla Gugino, and, shit, probably a partridge somewhere. Most hit the nail on the head in their roles, managing the conviction and broadness required by their exaggerated characters while avoiding the trap of overacting. A few lines fall flat, thanks to bad delivery: Jamie King botches a couple of good ones, and Michael Madsen is more wooden than his character ought to be. Overall, though, the cast seems really to get into their roles, and the performances range from serviceable to downright delicious.

The fact that the movie is a labor of love I suspect contributes a lot to its success. The falling out that Rodriguez had with the DGA over his decision to bring Miller on as co-director is well-documented. What it means for this release is that the viewer gets a nice truckload of informative bonuses, as well as a chance to see what the duo's unedited vision is like. Suffice it to say that their unedited vision is a lot like what ended up in the theatrical cut. The recutting expands each of the three primary stories into what are essentially shot-for-shot recreations of the comics. In total, there are about twenty minutes of new footage edited back into the stories, but none of it is essential. The edit stands, primarily, as a tribute to Rodriguez' desire to be faithful to Miller's vision, and Miller's contribution to the creation of a faithful film.

As nice as it is to have the four stories extended and placed separately on the DVD for easier consumption, the isolation makes for a less cohesive film. The new versions are definitely fan service, as they don't function quite as well as stand-alone stories as they do when caught up in the context of the feature film. This is especially true for "The Customer Is Always Right," which is too short to stand alone. The strength of the film is in the sum of its parts, and, though the parts are individually exciting and entertaining, the sum is necessarily greater, or so my calculator tells me.

Sin City is a major step forward in the evolution of popular comic book movies, and, as an experiment, an unqualified success. That's not to suggest that more movies should use their source material as storyboards, but rather that move comic flicks ought to so deeply inhabit and enjoy their origins.

8.7 out of 10


The Look


1.85:1 widescreen. Shadows are almost more prevalent in Sin City than its inhabitants, and all the blackness is transferred beautifully. This is a remarkably clear version of the film. The combination of the varied characters, with their great costumes, and the highly detailed backgrounds gives your eye plenty of room to wander. It will rarely be disappointed.

Rodriguez wanted to incorporate more color into the film than had appeared in the original comics, and it works well. He adds a red tint to blood in places where it would otherwise just look like grime on a character's face, and adds little beats of other color that suggest, in their brief appearances, a bit more humanity (or, in a couple cases, inhumanity).

The transfer here is no different than that of the previous DVD release, but it is of good quality.

8.5 out of 10


The Noise


Hurrah for the advent of our DTS overlords! You get two tracks: the DTS 5.1 and the Dolby digital 5.1, and just guess which one kicks more ass. This is a film just packed with typically exaggerated sound effects: screeching tires, hand-cannon discharges, meaty flesh wounds, sirens, and car crashes, just to name a few. The DTS track puts them all right into your chest and head. The Dolby track is a good second choice, but lacks the presence of its big brother.

One quibble is that the instrumental bits of the score, another thing that Rodriguez handles in his DIY fashion, are somewhat bland, and they don't get the quality treatment that the rest of the sound design received. This isn't a film that fails on the basis of its score, since all the heart is right out on its sleeve already, but it is an element that fails to impress on the same level as everything else.

8.3 out of 10


The Goodies


This is what we've been waiting for since the bare-bones release earlier this year. Disc one, which contains the unaltered theatrical cut of the film, features three alternate audio tracks: one with commentary by Rodriguez and Miller, one with commentary by Rodriguez and Tarantino, and one that presents the audience reactions to film at its Austin premiere.

The first commentary, with the two co-directors, is a mutual admiration society. Rodriguez has an inexhaustible wealth of enthusiasm for the film, for Miller, and for the processes of filmmaking in general. Miller is a little more subdued, a little more focused on Sin City in particular, but the two men play well off each other and give an insight into what will hopefully be a successful, sustained working partnership.

The second commentary, with Quentin Tarantino joining Rodriguez, finds both mavericks at their most energetic. Tarantino has a lot of love for the whole film (not just his contribution as guest director) and his friendship with Rodriguez coaxes out a whole different side of the latter's enthusiasm. While it doesn't offer as many insights in Sin City, it is a definite blast to listen to.

The last alternate audio is something new to this reviewer. Generally, I can't stand it when an audience is vocal enough to warrant having a whole audio track devoted to them, but the enthusiasm of the Austinites is infectious.

Disc number two has the recut, extended sections of all four stories, as well as a battalion of featurettes, ranging from the standard DVD fare to the wholly unique.

There are two Rodriguez staples: the "15 Minute Flic School" and the "10 Minute Cooking School". In the former, we are shown a bit of behind-the-scenes information regarding the process of shooting with the digital backlot process, and in the latter we are instructed on the proper way to make a breakfast burrito. I didn't do well on my burrito, but my cat liked it.

We get the uninterrupted take of Quentin Tarantino's guest-directed segment, featuring Dwight and the dead Jackie Boy talking in a car. The full segment runs fourteen minutes, a small percentage of which actually ended up in the film. The whole dialogue sequence isn't necessary, but the feature does a nice job of showing Tarantino's habitual directing style.

Dovetailing that feature is a short profile and interview segment with Quentin Tarantino, in which he talks about his enthusiasm for and confidence in the project.

For parties interested in the alchemy of post-production, the entire film is included as it was shot against the greenscreen, with no props or landscapes edited in. It's all cut just as it appears in the theatrical cut, you just don't get any of the context. The whole thing is put in time-lapse, which I thought was an odd decision, unless the DVD authors were trying to conserve space.

There's an interesting featurette called "How It Went Down: Convincing Frank Miller to Make the Film" in which Rodriguez talks about the process of getting the comics creator to give his support to the film. What it comes down to, for the audience, is Rodriguez' blind faith in the project, and his willingness to make personal sacrifices in order to get it made. These qualities also appealed to Frank Miller, obviously, and we get to see a bit of what goes through an artist's mind as he considers letting go of one of his creations (which, fortunately, Miller didn't end up having to do).

There's a series of four short, specific featurettes: "A Hard Top with a Decent Engine: The Cars of Sin City", "Trench Coats & Fishnets: The Costumes of Sin City", "Making the Monsters: Special Effects Make-Up", and "Booze, Broads & Guns: The Props of Sin City". Each is a few minutes long and details exactly what it claims to. All four are worth watching, with at least one nugget of fun trivia in each. The cars are interesting because of the combination of physical and digital vehicles; the costumes are incredibly detailed and, in the case of the girls of Old Town, complicated; the special make-up is worth watching just to see how they managed to make Nick Stahl even more creepy; and the props are wonderfully stylized and, again, detailed. You get three nuggets of typical Hollywood backstage info given a nice spin, and one featurette about, well, cars.


And, if you're wondering why the box set is so big just for a two disc release, it's because they had to make room for the complete graphic novel of "The Hard Goodbye," Marv's story. It has been shrunk from its original size (a couple times, now, by my count) but it's all legible and detailed, and it's a lot of fun to follow along as the story plays on the screen.

Finally, in the throwaway category, we get to go behind the scenes at the cast and crew party, watch some bloopers, play a couple cheap Flash games, and view the teaser and theatrical trailers.

Counting the recut stories as bonuses, there's really nothing more I could ask for in a set of bonuses. They're informative, entertaining, and wide in appeal. We even get a few things that aren't at all necessary.

10 out of 10

The Artwork

Note that the set I received has none of the marketing fluff on the artwork I grabbed from Amazon, but is instead just pitch black with Frank Miller's memorable logo. I'm always fond of properties that have distinct and attractive fonts. The recent re-releases of the graphic novels have abandoned the bulging, pulpy letters of Miller's original in favor of an uninteresting sans-serif font, but I'm glad the film did no such thing. It's the perfect eye-grabber: a cartoonish font, blood-red against black, that tells a potential buyer that everything inside is larger than life, and gloriously so.

9 out of 10

Overall: 9 out of 10
 
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Albyrinth
view post Posted on 5/1/2006, 10:39




Intervistina a Frank Miller da C.H.U.D....mooooooolto interessante!smile.gif

Q: You have a Sin City story that references the Hot Gates, the story that became 300. Is that when you first became aware of the battle?

Miller: In referencing the Hot Gates – I threw that in almost like a dog marking it’s territory. Nobody touch that! It’s mine! I knew it would be the next book – I had been doing research.

Q: Did you and Robert ever consider including that scene in the Sin City movie?

Miller: Not really. It would have been disconcerting and weird, in an already pretty strange movie!

Q: You co-directed Sin City – is there a frustration in not being able to co-direct this movie? Is it hard to relinquish that role?

Miller: It’s not hard. It’s agonizing. Damn Zach Snyder! But no, it’s in good hands.

Q: Did you enjoy co-directing? Is it something you would do again?

Miller: Try and stop me. I’m finishing the script right now for Sin City 2, and another screenplay as well, and I can’t wait to get behind the camera again.

Q: So will this be the last Frank Miller adaptation that won’t be directed by Frank Miller? Will all future adaptations be Frank Miller productions?

Miller: Yeah.

Q: So if Martha Washington ever makes it to the screen, it’ll be you behind the camera?

Miller: That’s right.

Q: Speaking of Martha Washington, that’s a character who would be great in a movie in the current political climate. Is that a movie you’d like to get going?

Miller: I’d like to, but I have so many projects going on, it’s hard to put this one first. I have to do Sin City while the opportunity presents itself.

Q: David Cronenberg has said he never uses storyboards. He actually used Sin City as an example, about how artists don’t understand the lens.

Miller: I’ve got nothing but respect for David Cronenberg. The way Sin City was shot turned into something much closer to what I see on my drawing board. It was being able to draw with Bruce Willis walking in the foreground. It was wonderful that way. But I found the relationship between drawing and filming with CGI to be so close to be ridiculous. That’s what Robert Rodriguez had predicted to me, but I didn’t really trust it until I was there and I was seeing the footage. The two forms, the two media, are deeply related and a lot of what works in one works in the other.

Q: You mentioned Sin City 2. Are you guys working on Sin City 3 at the same time?

Miller: If I had my way there’d be five. But that’s if I had my way.

Q: Would that be the graphic novels that exist, or would you write new ones?

Miller: Oh no, five would take care of the graphic novels. But there’s new material I’m writing for the second one that will probably also be a separate graphic novel. It’s a Nancy Callahan story that I’ve always wanted to do.

Q: You’ve been getting some nasty reviews about All Star Batman and Robin, and the response has been rough on internet message boards as well. Do you log onto the web and see what people are saying?

Miller: [mimes slitting his wrists] Across for the hospital, down for the morgue!

I can’t. I really can’t. If the internet had been around for Dark Knight [Returns], they would have been complaining as much as they are now, because the internet is there for people to complain. Batman says ‘Goddamn’ and they get the vapors. Screw ‘em.
 
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Albyrinth
view post Posted on 2/2/2006, 17:21




Gira voce che "la donna per cui uccidere" di sin city 2 potrebbe essere...Angelina Jolie.
Vista la gravidanza della futura signora Pitt mi sembra una bufala...
 
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Tesla 83
view post Posted on 2/2/2006, 17:25




CITAZIONE (Albyrinth @ 21/9/2005, 17:54)
Il signor Tarantino ha fatto che, anche se non ci sara' posto per lui, pretendera' da Rodriguez di poter girare almeno una scena di Sin city 2 come gia' fece per il primo...smile.gif

grande Quentino! wub.gif


ma il dvd versione "strafiga" uscirą anche in Italy? vacca boia, io ho la versione uscita qualche mese fa... sad.gif

Edited by Tesla 83 - 2/2/2006, 17:26
 
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preacher
view post Posted on 2/2/2006, 17:32




CITAZIONE (Albyrinth @ 2/2/2006, 17:21)
Gira voce che "la donna per cui uccidere" di sin city 2 potrebbe essere...Angelina Jolie.

in effetti la Jolie E' una donna per cui uccidere.... arf arf...

 
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Albyrinth
view post Posted on 2/2/2006, 17:33




CITAZIONE (Tesla 83 @ 2/2/2006, 17:25)
CITAZIONE (Albyrinth @ 21/9/2005, 17:54)
Il signor Tarantino ha fatto che, anche se non ci sara' posto per lui, pretendera' da Rodriguez di poter girare almeno una scena di Sin city 2 come gia' fece per il primo...smile.gif

grande Quentino! wub.gif


ma il dvd versione "strafiga" uscirą anche in Italy? vacca boia, io ho la versione uscita qualche mese fa... sad.gif

Mah, fino a questo momento non se ne sa ancora nulla...mal che vada ordinero' da play.com quella inglese... sleep.gif
(Tanto i dvd li sento sempre e solo in inglese!happy.gif )
 
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